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Tuesday, November 24th, 2009
Camposol Resident's Association

Central Liaison Committee

Minutes 58th Meeting - Monday 23rd November 2009

Those Present:

Greg Green           Chairman

Joyce Stewart       Vice-chair/Treasurer

Bob Owen            Community Activities Sec.

Les Crook            Membership Sec.

Barrie Eveleigh     Communications Sec.

Tom Carpenter

Geoff Nastri

Apologies:            Mary Cooper       John Daws

The meeting opened at 17.15pm.

1.The minutes of the previous meeting have been reviewed and are accepted as a true record.

          Proposed:   Barrie Eveleigh             Seconded:   Tom Carpenter

          Carried Unanimously

2. Action Points From Last Meeting.

Chair reported that:

          a) The CRA website www.cracamposol.com has been amended in line with that agreed at the last meeting.

          b) A Burofax to Masa asking their intentions about upkeep and maintenance on Camposol was sent on 17/11/09. A copy of the letter in Spanish & English can be seen at the bottom of these minutes. No reply to date.

          c) A letter was sent to the manager of Mazarrón Correos, and Chair has met with him to discuss the post situation. The manager has   forwarded our letter to Correos Head Office inValencia.

          d) Confederación Hidrografica have acknowledged our request for a meeting. A date is pending. Translator to be contacted.

          e) To date there has been no reply from Iberdrola in response to the request for a meeting to discuss the ongoing streetlighting problems.

          f) An e-mail request to Cllr Galvez for further clarification of the Masa guarantees in place for Sector BCD has had no reply to date.

3. Finance Update.

Treasurer reported that:

          a)The Legal fund stands at 19,661€ 56cents

             The General Fund at 571€ 35cents

             All expenses to date have been paid leaving 39€ 90cents in hand.

          b)To date only 7 members have asked for a refund of their 10€ admin fee, others have asked that their fee be treated as a donation to the Fund, and 3 have asked for a return of their donations to the Legal Fund.

          c)The contract with Telefonica has been closed. A debt, which it seems been outstanding for some years, has been paid and payment confirmed. There remains only the final month's rental to be paid.

          d)Sale of tickets for the Xmas hamper raffle are going well. (As the hamper is too weighty to be portable, photographs will be on display at the Cabin).

          e) Several groups are now using the ICA room for their activities. Fees generated are initially being used to repay the loan (made by several individual members) to get this facility up and running.

4. Membership Update.

Les Crook reported that the new register is up to date. There are two registers, one of new and re-registered members since February this    year, and the other of original members. His difficulty is giving an accurate member total, should both registers be included?

Chair suggested that this subject be revisited at a future meeting for further consideration.

   Deferred.

5.Website. www.thenewcamposolcourier.com.

Chair advised that this website address is due for renewal at the end of the month. He said that the information on the site is out of date and the site will close down if not renewed. The fee for renewal is 100€. As this site has been super-ceded by www.cracamposol.com it was decided to not to re-new.

          Proposed:   Geoff Nastri                   Seconded: Bob Owen

          Carried Unanimously.

6. Memorial Garden.

Mick Drummond, a former member of the committee, and Mary Cooper are working on this. Les Crook, who is standing in for Mary in her absence, expressed Mick's concerns about raising funds for the project. Vice-chair said that from the outset it was agreed that this should be a stand-alone project with specific fundraising, and Chair said that the original idea was on a lesser scale to that planned now.

Mick is to be asked for a budget update.

      Deferred pending update.

7. AOB.

In light of a recent potentially confusing report, Vice-chair asked for clarification of the CRA's involvement in the re-forestation project being mooted by the Council and Global Nature in collaboration with the Combined Gardening Groups.

Chair said that while he himself had been involved in the first contact with GN some months ago, when the Gardening Group came into being the CLC had stepped back from the project, and were no longer involved.

The CRA does however fully support what the Combined Gardening Group are doing in their effort to make Camposol a better place.

There being no further business, the meeting closed at 7.15pm.

Next meeting will be on December 14th at 5.15pm.

Camposol Residents Association

Apartado De Correos, 61
Mazarron, 30870
Murcia
Spain

Grupo Masa

Explanada de España, 18,

03001 Alicante

Fax : 965 21 30 50

Para la atención de Daniel Seguro/Daniel Bascunana                17th Nov 2009

Estimados Sres:

Re: Urbanizacion Camposol - Mazarron

Tenemos entendido que la Confederación Hidrográfica de Murcia les ha solicitado que realicen un estudio del impacto en el medio ambiente, en relación a la construcción de una rambla artificial que circunvale el sector D. Como ustedes saben la aceptación del plan parcial revisado para los sectores B, C y D con otro número de importantes cuestiones asociadas, depende del tema de la rambla siendo resuelto satisfactoriamente. Por lo tanto les estaríamos muy agradecidos si nos pudieran decir cuanto tiempo estiman ustedes que van a necesitar para completar dicho estudio.

Nos gustaría aprovechar esta oportunidad para solicitarles una clarificación sobre cuáles son sus intenciones a propósito del mantenimiento necesario en la urbanización desde ahora hasta que el ayuntamiento de Mazarrón adopte la urbanización. En concreto les solicitamos que consideren de carácter urgente dos reparaciones en los sectores D35 y D26, donde las calles han sufrido una fuerte erosión causada por las lluvias, que ha dejado expuestas tuberías que llevan aguas fecales.

Les agradeceríamos una rápida contestación

Les saluda atentamente

G Green

Presidente

Camposol Residents Association

Apartado De Correos, 61
Mazarron, 30870

Murcia
Spain

Groupo Masa

Explanada de España, 18,

03001 Alicante

For the attention of ...........                                                   Date ..............

Dear Sirs

Re: Urbanization Camposol - Mazarron

We understand that you have been requested by the Confederacion Hidrografica to produce an environmental impact report in relation to the proposed construction of an artificial rambla that is intended to circumvent D Sector. As you are no doubt aware the acceptance of the revised plan parcel for Sectors B, C & D together with a number of important associated issues is also reliant on a solution to the rambla issue being reached and therefore we would be grateful if you would advise us of your projected timescale in completing the before mentioned report.

We would also like to take this opportunity to request a clarification of your intentions regarding the necessary upkeep and maintenance of the urbanization between now and the time the adoption of Camposol by Mazarron Council can take place. In particular we would request that you consider urgent action be taken to repair two areas of road on D35 & D26 which have suffered severe erosion from the heavy rains which has left exposed sewage pipes.

An early response from you would be very much appreciated.

Yours sincerely

G Green

Chairman

For archived minutes , please CLICK HERE

Minutes 57th Meeting – Monday 9th November

Those Present:

Greg Green Chairman

Joyce Stewart Vice Chair/Treasurer

Mary Cooper Secretary

Barrie Eveleigh Communications Secretary

Bob Owen Community Activities Secretary

Tom Carpenter

Geoff Nastri

John Daws

Apologies: Les Crook

The meeting opened at 17:15pm.

1. The minutes of the previous meeting (56th) having been reviewed and accepted as a true record.

Proposed Bob Owen, seconded John Daws, passed unanimously by the remainder of the committee

2. CRA Information Desk – Timetable: Due to the demise of the daily postal facility in Kennely’s Bar, Sector B Commercial Centre. The subject of operating hours for the CRA information desk was discussed. It was agreed that the current evening shift situated in the Mapfre Office is no longer relevant so will be discontinued.

For the foreseeable future the CRA Information Desk will be operated from the CRA Cabin, Sector B Commercial Centre, Monday to Friday mornings between the hours of 11am – 1pm.

Action: Greg GreenMeeting with the Mayor: Following the 4th November meeting between the CRA Committee and Mayor Blaya Blaya, future actions to be taken by the CRA were discussed at length resulting in the following recommendations:

a) To allow the Mazarron Town Council time to complete the actions as documented in the minutes of the meeting. The progress of which to be reviewed by the CRA Committee during their first meeting in February 2010.

Proposed Bob Owen, seconded by Tom Carpenter, carried unanimously.

b) That a Burofax (Spanish version of a recorded letter) be sent to Masa Head Office in Alicante asking for clarification of their intentions reference the production of the Environment Impact Report awaited by the Confederacion Hidrografica to enable them to progress with signing off the Plan Parcial for Sectors B, C. & D.

Also, clarification of their intentions reference the maintenance and upkeep of Urbanisation Camposol until such times as it is completed prior to adoption by Mazarron Town Hall.

Proposed BarrieEveleigh, seconded Joyce Stewart, 5 agreed, 2 against.

Action Barrie Eveleigh to write the Burofax.

c) To arrange a meeting with the Confederacion Hidrografica reference the problems with the Rambla on sector D

Action: Greg Green

d) To arrange a meeting with Iberdrola reference the continued problems with street lighting

4. Fund Raising:

Monthly Bonus Ball: In the light of the demise of the Postal Service provided daily in Kennelly’s Bar Sector B the subject of the Bonus Ball was raised. Val and Bob who run the Bonus Ball, for the CRA Legal Fund, have offered to continue with this fund raising activity on monthly sale days held on the last Friday of each month in Kennelly’s Bar.

The committee fully back the continuation of this activity which raises €200 monthly for CRA funds and once again wish to thank Val and Bob for their unfailing support.

Action: Joyce Stewart to advise Val and Bob of the committee decision.

Weekly Meat/Groceries Raffle: It was agreed that the weekly raffle would be suspended until the New Year and instead a Grand Christmas Raffle will be held for a hamper to include seasonal groceries and a meat voucher.

Tickets will go on sale this week and the draw will take place on Friday 18th December.

Proposed by John Daws and seconded by Joyce Stewart, carried unanimously.

Action: John Daws and Joyce Stewart to put the hamper together and Greg Green to produce the advertising posters etc.6. CRA/ICA

5. Community Activities premises:

Premises are available for hire for Community Activities.

This is a joint activity the premises supplied by ICA Medicas to be administered by the CRA.

The premises are situated on the main carriageway on Sector B.

Anyone wishing to book this facility please call Bob Owen

Telephone Number 968.970.577

6. Any Other Business:

Following the demise of the postal facility provided from Kennelly’s Bar residents have to visit the Correos, Sector B to collect their mail.

Members have reported queue waiting times in excess of 2 hours daily and have asked if the CRA can do anything to alleviate the situation.

A letter has been composed to the Postmaster at Mazarron main post office to request a meeting with him with the CRA to discuss how this situation can be improved.

Action: Mary Cooper to write email and send it for interpretation. Greg Green to deliver to the Postmaster.

The meeting was closed at 1900hrs.

Next meeting Monday 23rd November 2009 at 17:15pm

Camposol Residents Association

Registration Number: 7943/1 – CIF G73369167

Apartado de Correos 61.

30870 Mazarron

Murcia

Meeting Minutes Mayor/CRA 4th Nov 2009

Mazarron Town Hall

Those Present :

Mayor Blaya Blaya

Jackie Galvez - Counciller (JG)

Greg Green - CRA Chairman (GG)

Joyce Stewart - CRA Vice Chairwoman

Les Crook - CRA Membership Secretary

John Daws - CRA

Bob Owen - CRA

Barrie Eveleigh - CRA

Enrique Olmos - Translator

The meeting commenced at 11am.

1. What is the current situation in regard to legal action being taken by council against Masa and what time period is envisaged by the Council legal team before results are achieved.
A : The Mayor confirmed that action was now being taken against Masa and a full report had been prepared by the councils head of legal affairs. Up to the present date the Council had adopted a policy of diplomacy with Masa to try to get as much work completed as possible before the point came where it would be necessary to take action to seize the guarantees and complete the work needed to bring Camposol up to the standard required for adoption. The Mayor would not commit himself on a timescale but stated that it would be weeks rather than months. Firstly the legal papers would have to be served on Masa notifying them that the guarantees were being seized and then the Council needed no further authority to take the money. Masa could appeal the seizing of the guarantees but this would be done after the money was in the hands of the Council. Any appeal would not prevent a plan of action being put in to place to complete the necessary work needed to complete Sector A and the subsequent adoption.

2. We have a figure from the Garrigues Report on the amount of Guarantee for Sector A. Although this was in pesetas in the original Plan Parcial the amount equates to approximately 86.000 Euros. Can the Mayor confirm this? How much are the guarantees for the other Sectors and are they guaranteed by the banks. If not what format are they in?
A : The Mayor confirmed that there were the following guarantees in place :

Sector A - 136,000 Euros approx to complete infrastructure such as roads, pavements & lights.

Approx 600 Euros per house for other works.

Sectors B, C & D - Approximately 1 millon Euros to complete infrastructure such as roads, pavements & lights.

Approx 600 Euros per house for other works.

The Mayor also acknowledged that if Masa did not complete any further work then these amounts would no where cover the work needed to bring all Sectors up to a satisfactory level for adoption. Should this come about then a plan would be needed detailing the priority and extent of work that could be undertaken with the finances available.

GG requested that the homeowners of Camposol be included in this process and the Mayor agreed that this would happen. GG asked when this would be put in to action and the Mayor stated that he was unwilling at this stage to discuss this as the legal process had to take its course of action. The Mayor confirmed that all guarantees were in the form of bank guarantees and there would be no issues in obtaining the funds from the relevant banks.

GG requested an update on the work being undertaken by JG and the Council legal department in exploring a way forward in the future administration of Camposol. JG stated that this was ongoing and the preferred plan was still as discussed previously where the Council would administer Camposol in conjunction with an elected representative body of homeowners with an annual Camposol levy being applied to each house in addition to IBI.

3. We have copies of official Council documents that show Masa agreed a payment of 2 million Euros to the Council in lieu of the 10% of land that would have been legally given to the Council under the Plan Parcial for Sectors B, C & D. The payment was to be made over five payments. Has the money been paid and if so has it been used?

A : The Mayor confirmed that this process was common on all developments in Spain and he could confirm that the agreement for 10% of the land on Camposol Sectors B, C & D was resold back to Masa. He also confirmed that the money had been paid in full by Masa and although he couldn't say exactly where the money had been used it would have been invested in the Mazarron area as there was no obligation for that money to be used on Camposol.

4. Could we please have an update on the signing off of the revised Plan Parcial for B, C & D Sectors & have the Confederacion Hidrografica been in contact with the Council?

A : The Mayor stated that this was a major concern for him and the Council. When they came to power the previous administration had allowed much work to be undertaken by Masa different to the original Plan Parcial for Sectors B, C & D. This included a bridge in the wrong place, many polygonos with more or less houses than approved and a problem caused by the building of houses on the rambla on Sector D. They had decided with the help of Masa to produce a revised Plan Parcial and this was completed in late summer 2008 and sent to the Confederacion Hidrografica in Murcia for approval. Part of the plan to resolve the rambla problem was for an artificial rambla to be constructed around D Sector. The Council have been chasing the Confederacion for some months to get the plan signed off but in a meeting between the two in September of this year the Confederacion Hidrografica has now requested an environmental impact report from Masa in relation to the planned construction of the artificial rambla. Everyone is now awaiting this report before any headway can be made on this issue.

GG stated that this situation was causing major problems for the homeowners of Sectors B, C & D who now find themselves in a position of having no or incomplete escrituras and no Certificates of Habitacion. Without these documents it is virtually impossible to sell their houses and in some cases this has caused severe financial hardship.

5. Could the Mayor give his opinion on what should be done if the exposed sewage pipes on the badly affected roads on Sector D burst over the winter?

A : GG showed the Mayor pictures from the roads on D35 & D26 where severe erosion from rain has caused the sewage pipes to be exposed. He also said that at sometime during the winter it was quite possible that if no remedial work was undertaken then the pipes could fracture resulting in raw sewage from some 2000 houses on the Sector flowing down the streets and in to the rambla to Mazarron. This potential health and environmental catastrophere could be avoided if work was carried out now to repair these areas. GG also stated that Masa had been made aware of the situation and had done nothing to correct it.

The Mayor said that he was aware of the problem and his technical department had completed a report on this situation and it had been forwarded to Masa for action. When GG stated that is was obvious to all concerned that Masa were not going to spend another euro on Camposol and it was now up to the Council to support the people of Camposol. The Mayor replied that legally their hands were tied and they were unable to intervene.

A intense debate took place with GG eventually asking what advice the Mayor would give about actions that the CRA should take when the pipes did break. JG suggested that at this point there would be little option but to take out an injunction against Masa which if not acted upon could mean that the Council could be ordered to get involved by the courts.

6. Could we please have an update on the promised bus service?

A : JG stated that a process was underway to provide an integrated bus service for all of the area covered by Mazarron Council. Concessions had been sent out but the project was very large and still some way off completion. In the meantime because of this time problem the Council had approached a company about a bus service specific for Camposol and the Country Club. She had travelled the proposed route with this company and at the end of their discussions the company decided that without a subsidy from the Council of 120,000 Euros a year they were unwilling to put a service in to place. JG stated that the Council could not afford this amount of money to provide this service.

7. Could we please have an update on the Medical Centre?

A : The Mayor stated that the Medical Centre was now nearly completed and ready for handover to the Regional Health Authority for fitting out with furniture etc,, and once recruitment was complete, opening. He would not be drawn on an opening date as a similar centre in the Port was now way over the proposed opening date due to Regional Health Authority delays.

8. Could we request that the Mayor arranges increased police patrols on Camposol now that the nights are closing in?

GG opened this session by showing a picture to the Mayor of a electric meter on Sector D which had recently been cut out by Iberdrola and a sticker put over the gap saying that the meter had been removed due to non-payment of bills. GG went on to say that this was now a daily occurrence and we will soon find ourselves, as last winter, without any interior street lights and all the problems that this brought about with personal safety and house security.

The Mayor sympathised with the situation and confirmed once again that this was out of the Councils control and the blame lay firmly with Masa. He did give an undertaking to make sure that police patrols would be stepped up if possible.

9. There are many homeowners on Camposol that are worried about their legality in occupying their villas. Can the Mayor confirm that these people are legally occupying their homes?

A : In spite of repeated requests when asked whether the people on Camposol were living there legally or illegally the Mayor would only say "we are where we are". JG went on to say that when this administration came in to power there were over 1000 people living on Camposol and it would have been impossible to take a step back and ask everyone to leave until the Certificates of Habitation had been issued.

10. With all the rumour and conjecture that there is on Camposol can we ask the Major to issue a statement that lays out the proposed way ahead as he sees it for Camposol?

A ; When asked this question the Mayor declined the offer on the grounds that he felt the people of Camposol were being kept up to date by meetings such as this one.

11. The Council has recently announced changes to the Padron system for foreigners, could this please be explained.

A : JG stated that this initiative had come from Central Government (National Institute of Statistics) who are questioning the actual numbers of foreigners on the Padrons. She went on to say that there were currently approximately 7,000 non Spanish Europeans on the Mazarron Padron of which some 3,000 will be struck off in the next few months.

She went on to explain that in future only foreigners with Residence Cards or Forms would be allowed to register on the Padron. Anyone else who registered just because they have a house in the area and only visit and not reside in that property will be struck off and not be allowed to re-register.

JG also stated that there would be no retribution against those that had applied and been added to the Padron but did not have residencia.

12. JG was asked if she wanted to read the minutes from these and future meetings with the CRA before publication?

A : She stated that she didn't feel this was necessary as this meeting was non-political and previous minutes had been considered fair and factual.

The meeting was closed at 12.50pm.

Camposol Residents Association

Central Liaison Committee

Minutes 56th Meeting - Monday 2nd November

Those Present:

Greg Green Chairman

Joyce Stewart Vice Chair/Treasurer

Mary Cooper Secretary

Les Crook Membership Secretary

Barrie Eveleigh Communications Secretary

Bob Owen Community Activities Secretary

Tom Carpenter

Geoff Nastri

John Daws

The meeting opened at 17:15pm.

1. The minutes of the previous meeting (55) having been reviewed and accepted as a true record.

Proposed Geoff Nastri, seconded Les Crook, passed unanimously by the remainder of the committee

2. Actions from the previous meeting:

a) Greg Green to start a recruitment campaign for fund raising volunteers. Greg reported that the postal service currently operating from Kennelly's Bar Sector B Commercial centre is soon to be disbanded therefore the CRA need to re-assess how fund raising activities will be taken forward.

This subject will be on the agenda for the next committee meeting.

b) Geoff Nastri to erect the CRA Notice Board for Community Activities outside the ICA Medicas premises.

Geoff reported that he has completed this action.

3. CRA/ICA Community Activities premises:

Bob Owen reported that all current users of this facility have been issued with agreement forms for signature. All of which have been returned to Bob duly signed.

The committee agreed that a poster stating the terms and the availability of this facility should be posted on the newly erected Notice Board.

Action: Bob Owen

Anyone wishing to book this facility for community activities please call

Bob Owen - Telephone Number 968.970.577

4. Meeting with the Mayor:

The CRA is to meet with the Mayor on Wednesday 4th November; the agenda for this meeting has been fully agreed by the committee and has been forwarded as requested to Councillor Galvez. Details of this agenda can be found on the CRA website.

Mary Cooper asked if the minutes of this meeting would be agreed and signed off by the Mayor. The Committee agreed that this should happen and Greg Green will raise this subject for agreement with the Mayor and Councillor Galvez during the meeting.

Action: Greg Green

5. Any Other Business:

a) CRA Camposol Website:

The subject of the number of email addresses supplied for use on the website was raised by Barrie Eveleigh. The committee agreed that these should be reduced to three: CRA Chairman, Administration and Forum.

Proposed by Mary Cooper and seconded by Les Crook carried unanimously.

Action: Greg Green to ensure that surplus email addresses are removed.

6. Next meeting Monday 9th November 2009 at 17:15pm

With no further business to discuss the meeting closed at 18:50pm.

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